It is very clear from this statement and the responce by cde Garth that comrades have lost the fundamental tools of engaging- which is the alliance meetings. As long comrades we are unable to look at each other in the eye problems will persist. I agree with the fact that there is a great deal of denialism from the ANC side. However, I do not think that the luthuli house is innocent. The national office was the one who recalled cde Rassool, the national office could not respond timeously to the letter by disgruntled anc members who later formed COPE and many other instances.

"Mr President" so you are happy to live under a racist black dominated government instead?

As an ANC supporter I think the loss in the WCape was an eye opener for the party. It is high time that the party realise that the importance of the coloured vote in the Cape. I say disband the leadership and form an interim commitee that will build up the organisation from grassroots level. The ANC know how to mobilise the poor. The DA will revert to their white dominant attitute as HZ has allready shown. Before long the people on the ground will see this. All we need is a new breed of activists and leaders. I will throw in my weight and skill for one reason only. Never will I live under a racist white dominated government again. VIVA ANC the true liberators of the oppressed.

Can anyone name a country in the world where communism has worked? Who wants to emigrate to N Korea? Or Cuba?
The Russians dumped the idealogy, and the Chinese are busy doing the same. So who in their right mind joins a communist party?

The ANC must fall apart and not exist anymore. Communists, self-centered power-seekers NOT looking after the country and it's people. To HELL with the ANC.

To be quiet frankly, the ANC-PEC in Western Cape has failed drastically to be united after the Skwatsha’s show at the Provincial Congress. Due to his inability to show leadership qualities we have little seen outspoken Cadres like Richard former MEC of Housing. Gugulethu mob has an interest to tenders only not to deliver to the needs of the poor. They need to be disbanded as soon as possible.

Mantla!!

The concept is really quite simple. The ANC was kicked out of the Western Cape because they were not delivering and everything was being left to rack and ruin while fighting each other at the trough. While in denial about that, they choose to bombard the "little white girl" with filthy gutter politics for "taking" the Western Cape away from them.

Gerhard, rudeness is not debate. Further - you say that all ANC members are expected to subscribe to the ideology and politics of all three aspects of the 'trinity'. In the matter of faith I do so. God is three persons in one. But really, do you sincerely believe that Tokyo Sexwale subscribes to a Marxist ideology? Or all the many other entrepreneurial members of the ANC? Or the Reserve Bank and the mining sector which drives the economy? And do you really believe that there can be a seamless bond between 'management' and 'labour' in which all ANC members subscribe to militant labourism? And what about ANC members who are not or do not want to be paid up members of affiliates of COSATU? The big difference is that we can only speculate in wonder at the nature of the Holy Trinity but are required as thinking people to tackle the fudged distinctions and power play within the ANC/SACP/COSATU alliance. And remember, in the days of the struggle, AZAPO and PAC were also considered as an intimate part of this alliance. Nothing is set in stone, and if we think it is set in stone, we (1) can't debate rationally and (2) end up with meaningless formations driven at best by sentimental bonds, at worst by coercion.

I'm responding to the Sacp's attack to the Anc Pec in the Western cape, it is quite shocking that the Party could make such comment. It is high time the Sacp to define its role, is it still a vanguard party or is it a party that is shouting for positions in the Anc. If there's a party what role did it play to make sure that there are no divisions in the Anc? By the way is there a party in the Province? Who is Carl Cloete in the Party? He left the party and went to Jo'burg to be the dsg of the union. Are there any branches of the Party in the Western Cape? Infact is there any Pec of the Sacp in the Western Cape? 80% of what they call the Pec is co-opted. Are they complaining for communists in the list or are they crying for Khaya Magaxa? The Anc had a Lekgotla and the Party that was invited never attended. Chris Nissen was there and asked by the Secretary General of the Anc to present a report, he didn't have. Its quite shorking for the party to say there's a report by Chris Nissen. The party must do some introspection and start building the party and stop taking sides within the Anc.

The ANC shows its true colours with regards to the SACP as you can see in the arrogance of their statements and comments made by their supporters. This arrogance will be their downfall. SACP should back a party that wont drop it after the election is won.